Interview: Advanced Dreaming

Advanced Dreaming

The Physics of Dreams

An ongoing conversation between two advanced dreamers.

Join me in this ongoing exchange with Elizabeth about lucid dreaming. What do dreams mean? Are they just mind stuff or do we journey to different places? Are there useful techniques for advanced dreamers? 

Lucid Dreaming Audio Spells

Go directly to the youtube audio spells: these require headphones

Dream Seeds Volume 3

I’ll be updating this conversation over time, so check back or sign up to my email list for updates.


ELIZABETH

I have different types of dreams. Some nights I’m simply observing a scene play out, like a movie. I am neither a lead actor nor a background talent. In others, I am a character. Sometimes I’m more than one character. Sometimes I’m me, but in whatever reality came through that night.


AMARA

One of the gifts of lucid dreaming is the ability to experience different states of I-ness, or identity involvement. We are playing and practicing with our experience and understanding of self, what it means to identify with a self, what level of identification you invest into a self, and how incredibly fluid that really is.

In a lucid dream, you can observe a scene, without directly identifying with the characters, or with what is happening.

Your perspective is purely that of witnessing.

Watch the momentum in dreams. Where does it start, what is the point of generation? To what is it flowing? In observational dreams, there is no sense of personal momentum.

In waking life — a term I’ll use many times, but we’ll also investigate later if that’s even an accurate description — we often generate momentum, even when we are watching something. We generate opinions, we move away or toward something, our minds attach to a linear process and want to know what happens next, or how it ends. We can notice the constant momentum in waking life, even when we’re not technically involved.

In purely observational dreams, we have no momentum. It’s an interesting experience, even though we’re often not aware of it in the moment.

Next time you have such a dream, if possible, start to notice the mechanics of the dream, the physics. Notice how you emerge into the scene without knowing all the backstory, the linear story, and how that’s okay. Notice how the Mind does not require linear time details. Even without these details, there is no confusion. Adding these details would bring no further clarity.

This is the working of the Mind, capital M. Pretty neat, and different than the computing mind of the Synthetic Self.

Advanced Dreamers can play multiple characters in the same dream.

We can even non human characters such as other types of beings, animals, trees — all in the same dream scene.

We don’t normally decide to do this, make a choice or set an intention to do this. It just happens that way.

In waking life, it’s hard enough just to play our single part, let alone multiple players! I wonder if it’s hard because it actually takes effort to limit ourselves, narrow ourselves down to a single part, take that part really seriously, imbue it with a kind of this is it reality.

In our dreams, when we play multiple roles, it isn’t exhausting, the effort or energy to play added roles isn’t multiplied.

When the mind is fixed onto something, it creates a kind of friction, which increases when you add more things for it to fix onto. In these advanced dream states, there is flow, not fixation. There is an open hand, not a pointed finger. There isn’t a contraction, and when there is no contraction, or fixation, look at what is possible, and how it happens naturally and without any strain at all.

In dreams, you practice this tremendous, powerful skill: the ability to move and flow through recognizable scenarios without contraction. It’s a skill, and in a way I’d say it’s similar to a kinesthetic skill. Like learning (or relearning, really) to breathe properly, deeply. You learn how it feels and you practice that feeling, rather than mentally reminding yourself about your body parts and your diaphragm, etc.

The part about doing it in recognizable scenarios is important, too. Because of course, you can sit in some kind of transcendent meditative state and release all contraction, but then what? You are an enlightened doorstop. The ability to practice the uncontracted state as things are happening, the plot is being advanced, a storyline is progressing…now that’s something.

When we wake from dreaming, or sometimes wake within dreaming, we often ask ourselves, what does this mean? That’s an important and valid question, but I would add another, equally important one: what am I practicing? 

What kind of dream physics are you practicing? Everything we practice in our dreams has applications in every level, including the dream layer we call waking life.


ELIZABETH

I love that question, “what am I practicing?” It allows for a more thorough reflection when paired with, “what does it mean?” In a recent dream, I moved from first person participant to an engaged observer role akin to a movie director. The momentum was established: I knew each character’s motivations and the actions they would take next. While dreaming, I consciously understood the source of the content and why I chose to slip into a different point of view (things were getting too dramatic for my liking). I didn’t have to try to shift my level of involvement; I chose, and it was done.

When I find myself in a multi-player dream, it is simply an interesting thing to note: I am me and I am also that boy in the blue shirt. It’s not in a “we are all one” type of way…it just is. The dream carries on with a bit more dimension to it than other dreams, but I don’t get lost in the fascination of it. I am certainly not this friction-free in waking life!

I’ll often have lucid dreams; sometimes I change things, sometimes I just take mental notes. I’ve had the same dream back-to-back in the same night and played things out slightly differently in take two.


AMARA

Friction. I like this term, it really does describe something critical about this experience or mode we call “waking life.”

I touched on this in the Hooks & Cords course, in a topical discussion called Distorting Reality. It’s this friction, Elizabeth, that we can learn to release in the Waking World Mode, we can teach ourselves to do this and it has incredible results.

In Dream World Mode, as you pointed out, you experience a fluidity, you call this friction-free. Investigate this.

What is the mind not doing in Dream Mode that allows friction-free movement through that space?

The Mind in Dream Mode notices things, but it doesn’t catch, if that makes sense. That activity of the mind catching and stuttering on details, rather than noting them and moving freely — what is that? Can you notice it in Waking Life Mode? First notice when it’s happening, and then release it.

The trick is to integrate. That’s such a boring word because we hear it all the time and it’s just blah blah blah. But this is pure alchemy. It’s damned exciting. Bring elements of the Waking Mind into the Dream World and elements of the Dream Mind into the Waking World.

Making space for miracles

When I move from the Dream World to the Waking World, it’s really just like moving from one dream to another. Consciousness is a 24/7 gig!

I wake. This requires I go through a kind of dark, nothing state between. This happens when I move between dreams and also when I wake into the Waking World. It’s the same.

This dark nothing space is wonderful, so relaxing. Nothing.

Then I’m moved into a Something space, but there are no details at all yet. It’s blank, but not the same as the Nothing space.

Here, the system has to load, to boot up the details of whatever world I’m now going to move through. I don’t know anything yet, but I can feel things spinning up and then…the first details come through, ie: I have some kind of body, the awareness that I’m coming into the Waking World, I’m in a bed, and then…my name, and so on.

In this initial spin up, in the Waking World, a set of rules is loaded, plus some kind of weird mind grid. The rules…goodness, so many rules. Way more than in any of the Dream Worlds I’ve played through. These rules define all the things you can’t do, and for the things you can do, the limited ways in which you can make them happen.

The Nothing space is always here, in the Waking and Dream World. It’s interlaced throughout, penetrating all worlds. I have a Dark Twin, or…a Shining Twin — I view it both ways — an indescribable Self that inhabits the Nothing space. Which is a bedeviling paradox, since there is nothing in the Nothing space.

She (it?) moves through all spaces with perfect fluency. She sees and participates (through me) in all spaces, but she is not subject to the rules of any of them. She’s free.

In the times I am able to disregard or override the mind grid of the Waking World and reintegrate with my Dark Twin, well…things happen, the rules bend.

The more I do this, the more space opens up for what we call miracles, and what I often refer to as The Anomalous. The fluidity of the Dream Worlds seeps into this Waking World, and it seems the rules are not absolute after all.

Revisiting Dream Worlds.

There are many ways in which we can re-enter a Dream World. Sometimes it is sequential: you replay the same dream back to back, altering the trajectory at some point to play a different outcome. I’ve done this for many years, and it inspired me to include it in one of the Mastery course lessons — though not as a dream practice, but as a practice to alter your past.

Remember, what are you practicing? The things we do, the skills we use and take for granted in Dream Worlds aren’t limited to those spaces. You can think of them as practicing skills and perspectives in environments with less density and friction, so that we can eventually move them into our Waking World. It may be more challenging here, but believe me, these skills are transferable.

I also have Dream Worlds that I go back to, year after year. I have entire lives in these worlds, that I’ve returned to for decades. I don’t do this intentionally, I don’t set my dream compass to any of these destinations, but I am called back to them again and again. It’s a very strange feeling, when I wake into this world after spending what might seem like years in the other one.

I have family and friends, community and…well, a life. In each of these worlds I return to, I have a full life. And I’m also someone else. I’m not Amara, in another life. I’m someone else.

So how serious is it, being a Self? I have so many of them, not sequentially, but consecutively. I’m deeply engaged through each of them, I celebrate each of them. But one is no more “me” than the other. I play through the selves, and I love them, but I’m not the selves. This isn’t an intellectual position, but rather the way I’ve come to experience myself through having these fully developed dream lives, running concurrently.

It’s strange, when I wake from one of these dreams, I miss my other life. As it’s receding and this matrix is spinning up, in those moments when I’m in between, there’s this bittersweet farewell as I leave it behind…until I return again.

But since I never return again on purpose, I never know when that will be, or even if it will be. I never know if this was the last time.


ELIZABETH

I’m more adept at bringing elements of Waking Mind into Dream World. For example, taking mental notes regarding the source or message of the dream while actively engaged in it.

My Dream Mind is present and unattached to the outcome, allowing for a flow state. Even when I’m feeling scared or upset in Dream World, I just roll with it, knowing that I can always change things if I’d like. I would certainly benefit from practicing greater presence and detachment in Waking World!

Also, in Dream World, I am not bound by constraints such as time, gravity, and density of matter. I’ve yet to bring this into Waking World, to experience the type of rule-bending you mentioned, but that sounds like great fun.


AMARA

Do you always feel you can change things in the Lucid Dream World, or are there ever times when something imposes on you in such a way that you feel the most effective recourse in that instance is to wake yourself up, to exit the Dream World?


ELIZABETH

No, I don’t always have the level of conscious awareness to change things in my dream. I’ll be so engrossed in the dream that I forget about my creative license. I do enjoy “checking out” in Dream World, but if I let go too much, I risk dipping into that amnesiac state.


AMARA

Falling out of the state of lucid dreaming.

That’s a good way to describe it, a state of amnesia. And you’re so right, that it happens when we let ourselves fall into the density of the dream, or go too deep, as you put it.

Funny, that dreams have density, right? I mean, we often talk about the fluidity of dreams, the lack of density, especially when compared with the Waking World. Yet…if you look closely, you’ll see the Dream World also has density.

Just like the Waking World, if you go too far into that density, you forget yourself, you forget the nature of the world you are in — and you are consumed by it, engrossed.

It’s very much like the Waking World in this way. If we get engrossed, go too deeply into Matter, we slip into a state of amnesia.

Most people are in this state of amnesia, waking or sleeping. This discussion is about dreaming, yet much of what we learn about the dreaming is also true of our Waking World experience.

So what’s the antidote? As you pointed out, it happens when we lose our ability to observe and remember who/where we are. There is a way our awareness functions when our minds remain in the upper layers of the dream — here am I, dreaming. We are aware of ourselves, of of our reality. I am dreaming, I am now a dreamer. And thus I can retain some clarity and autonomy and curiosity.

The dream does not control me — even as I let it run. You pointed out that you don’t feel the need to alter every aspect of the dream, or even any of it, in the moment — even when it is unpleasant.

I experience the same thing whilst dreaming. Something unpleasant is happening, and even though I could change it right then and there, I don’t need to, because I am aware of myself, and my reality. I am dreaming. I am the dreamer. The dream does not control me, even when I’m not actively trying to control it.

Contrast that  to the Torpor Dream, when we let ourselves slip into the full density of the dreaming, and into amnesia.

And so what? Is there some great virtue in perfect balance and uninterrupted control? No. Sometimes I blow a big raspberry to the whole thing and catapult myself into some dream, I go Full Density. Just for the hell of it. Not often, but sometimes! I do wake feeling somewhat hung over though.

So, in both Dreaming and Waking, the trick is to remain buoyant, to keep our awareness in the lighter layers, to avoid slipping into amnesia and sleepwalking, or Full Density dreaming/living.

Otherwise the Waking Dream or the Sleeping Dream will engross us, consume us — steal our creative license, our autonomy, our authority…our magic. Losing these is the price of amnesia.

We dream to wake up. Dreaming is not fundamentally about what happens during sleep. It is about waking up to a deeper order of reality.

Robert Moss – The Secret History of Dreaming


ELIZABETH

I’ve had visitors pop into my dream space, literally overlaying the whole scene to deliver a brief message.

I’ve even experienced a commercial. That was mildly irritating.

I’ve dreamt I was awake and frustrated that I couldn’t sleep when I was, in fact, asleep. I only figured that out because my alarm went off in the midst of me eagerly trying to fall asleep within my dream.

There are times when my dreams are so poignant, so real (for lack of a better word) that I continue thinking of them for weeks, months, or years afterward. In the latest one, I flew out of my body and watched my husband and pup for a bit, then flew out of the bedroom into the hallway.

I ran into a being that looked like an alien race dressed as me for their Cosplay costume. Afraid that I’d somehow disturb my husband and dog, I grabbed this thing by its arm and drug it into the other room. I don’t know how to describe it other than to lamely say it was so real. I vividly remember the feel of touching its flesh (we’ll call it flesh). I’ve had plenty of vivid dreams where I’m out of body or don’t really know if it’s “waking world” vs “dreaming world”, but the intensity of it tends to fade over time.

I wonder if there is anything to watch for or any benefit in one dream type vs another? Or is it simply what it is, and I make of it what I will?


AMARA

And now, I’d like to thank tonight’s dream’s sponsor, MorpheusVPN.

Elizabeth! You made me laugh out loud. Commercial breaks in dreams. Surely the next advertising frontier. I think we should combine forces and start an REM marketing agency.

That sounds so sci-fi, but I recently alerted my email subscribers to the current and upcoming real world applications of neuroscience — if you saw that, you know this is not far fetched at all.

Receiving messages in dreams.

For about 6 years, I worked with a Dream Coach. No, not a human dream coach, but a non-corporeal being. He would appear in my room before I went to sleep every night and ask if it was okay to come with me into my dream state.

I would close my eyes and go through the levels I described, the Dark Nothing space, then the Something space — which is blank, and I’d wait there for the dream to load up.

Once the dream story loaded, once all the sensory details swelled up in to my awareness and I started moving through that space as the character I was playing in that dream, my Dream Coach would appear.

It’s not like he walked on set or made an entrance of any kind. He was just suddenly present, and I could feel him and hear him, always very close to me and either to the right or the left. He never stood in front of me or behind me — he was always just next to me.

He was a masterful dream navigator. He would pause my dream, like a freeze frame, and explain all the symbols in the dream. If I experienced strong emotions, like fear, in any dream story, he would rerun the sequence and we’d practice it over and over again, with him supporting me and explaining everything in the moment, until I could run through it without experiencing negative emotions.

He taught me how to die. I died so many times, in so many ways, until I understood — not intellectually, but experientially — how to go through the body’s visceral death process without fear, regret or confusion.

During those six years I learned more in my sleep than I did awake — about myself, about life, about death, about being human, about reality.

Obviously, this is a very intense, fruitful and ongoing instance of having “someone” enter your dream to deliver a message. Whether it is a brief appearance or a regular, scheduled meeting, it’s important to know a few things about Dream Visitors.

How to deal with other people or beings who enter your dreams.

Your dreams are your private space, and as such, other beings don’t have the right to be there unless they are welcome.

You may eject anyone from your dream, even very powerful beings.

Of course, this assumes you can distinguish between an actual being entering your dream world and your cast of dream characters — Advanced Dreamers can usually spot the energy signature of another entity pretty easily.

There are the two primary reasons it’s hard to have this kind of command in our dreams:

We don’t own the space.

Going from the waking world into the dream world is like walking from your living room to your bedroom. It’s all your house. But we approach the dream world as a mysterious place we travel to, like entering another kingdom.

In most dreams, you are not travelling to another kingdom. You remain in your own kingdom — not as a citizen or subject, but as the Sovereign.

Being told this will not help you. Knowing this will not make much difference. Believing it will barely change anything. It’s like swimming. You know people can swim and you can believe you can swim, but the only way to be a swimmer is to practice swimming and code that into your body, your body’s lived experience.

The only way to be sovereign is to do it. Each time you realize within your dream state that you are in your kingdom, and that any emissaries who enter your kingdom are your guests and can only remain at your pleasure — you are removing the threads of helplessness and forgetfulness from the fabric of your psyche. You code this authority into your dream body through practice and experience.

We haven’t learned dream physics.

In our waking lives, we’ve developed a pretty good understanding of how to navigate the physical reality. I know what my body can do, I know its limits and I know how to use tools to exceed these limits. I have a detailed manual of how this physical reality works.

We’ve gained this from trial and error. As babies, we devote every waking moment to learning how to use our body, and figuring out how our bodies interact with the physical world around us. We learned because we were programmed to relentlessly explore our physical reality.

Babies have this weird bouncy blob body with a terrible center of gravity and useless tiny feet — and yet they teach themselves to walk, all by themselves.

It’s kind of interesting how babies are not passive. They are absolutely bursting with personal agency.

Can you imagine what it would be like if babies weren’t made like this — full of agency and driven to explore and test their physical reality? What if they were more passive in their interactions with physical reality?

We’re kind of like this in the Dream World. Dreams feel like they happen to us, and there’s an ingrained passivity that goes along with that. We don’t feel we have much agency and we aren’t driven to relentlessly experiment with our dream bodies to learn what they can do. We don’t develop and employ tools in the Dream World.

You can develop skills in the Dream World. You can create and employ tools. And you can cultivate senses and muscle memory in your dream body that remain with you in the Dream World.

This leads to a kind of basic competence with your dream body and dream physics — so when you’re presented with a problem, you have an understanding of how your dream reality works and your natural reaction is to take action based on that.

In my dream physics, for example, I can do the following with an unwanted visitor, or one I’m not sure about:

  • eject them
  • quarantine them
  • instruct them to take a different form
  • set boundaries or rules of engagement

I can do this through force of will because I know I am in my kingdom, but I also have tools to help with particularly difficult entities.

The dream world overlaps with the waking world. I create tools in my waking state and take them into my dream state. Once I use them there, they remain available to me there.

Beings who visit your dreams aren’t always what they seem.

My Dream Coach approached me regularly for about 17 years before I started working with him. He came to me in my teens and told me he was there to help me, and that he’s always been with me, through all my lives, and always would be. He never entered my dream state then, he came to me when I was awake and tried to engage me with these warm and encouraging messages.

I’m here, I’ve always been here with you. I’m here to help you.

Doesn’t that sound amazing? So helpful. So reassuring.

It wasn’t. I spent those years in abject terror of him. First of all, he looked like a monster. He wasn’t human and had an absolutely terrifying form.

Secondly, he would just appear without warning. I’d be walking up a stairwell and boom, he’s two feet in front of me, saying I’m here and I’ll always be here.

Oh my god! It was so completely terrifying. First a total jump scare, appearing out of nowhere, in a monstrous non human form and then telling me he was what…stalking me through many lives?

I used all my energy to banish him, every single time. I was determined to rid myself of what seemed to be a menacing entity. I felt like I was cursed.

When my daughter was born I watched her room like a sentinel, ready to send him back to hell should he come near her.

I finally decided to communicate with him rather than instinctively banish him. I thought if I could learn what he wants, maybe I could figure out how to get rid of him for good.

First, I set boundaries. I told him where to stay in one corner of my room and come no closer. He liked to be very close to me, and this always caused me such a fright. The only way I was going to be able to keep my authority was to maintain distance.

I also told him to change his appearance to something more familiar and less terrifying. This resulted in some strange shapeshifting attempts. They were quite alarming at the time, but looking back now, I find it hilarious. He took the shape of a 7 foot grey alien, for starters.

He seemed to take images from my mind, so he would look familiar — but all these forms were still alarming to me.

Finally I gave him specifics: appear as a male human, mid 30s, dark brown hair, light skin, brown eyes, 6’2″, casual attire, with a pleasant voice. He took this form, and retained it throughout our interactions.

Then I created some boundaries around when and where he could appear to me in the Waking World. No more jump scares, which was an enormous relief.

Over the course of a month, I worked with him every day in this way. Setting boundaries, figuring out his form. Establishing a format that didn’t lead to me immediately succumbing to the most paralyzing terror. Then, I started to really speak to him.

This is when he revealed his purpose, and made his proposal to work with me in my Dream World. He has always been with me when I’m going through human lives, and he always will be. Now, when I look back on this, it makes sense and is comforting rather than terrifying. I understand it in a different way.

My mind couldn’t comprehend his form when he appeared to me when I was a teenager, and I scrambled it into something monstrous. I was raised on a fatty diet of Satan and demons, and I could only interpret his form in this way. As a child I was told my ability to “see things” was demonic, evil, a curse that I should rectify through repentance and prayer.

Beings are not always what they seem. In this case, he was one of the great helpers in my life. I would have missed so much had I continued to reject him. But beings can appear in a deceptive form as well — taking on the appearance of family or friends or sages, when they’re not.

Once you know for certain you have agency, authority and power, you can interact with beings and discern their true nature.

To speak to your question: I wonder if there is anything to watch for or any benefit in one dream type vs another? 

There are many kinds of dreams, and you can do amazing work in your Dream State, learn incredibly valuable things, gain skills and competence with the physics of your dream reality and dream body. Communicate with other people and entities. Share dreams. Move through time.

You can also have dreams that are littered with brain junk and mundane debris. If you investigate a bit, you’ll likely notice what causes this: drugs/food/substances/media, being around certain people, environmental factors. My dreams can be rubbish when I sleep next to high voltage electrical poles. My dreams are very strange when I sleep on airplanes — not rubbish per se, but my dreams have very unusual characteristics — entirely unlike terrestrial dreams.

Once we get out of the passive mode, engage our agency and realize we are in our own kingdom, we can really start to investigate our Dream World properly — the way babies do the physical world.

But one of the first things to take care of before diving into this advanced exploration of the Dream World is security.

What kind of protections do you use to secure your dreaming, Elizabeth? 

Dream Seeds Vol 3 Eclipse Advanced Dreaming

Advanced Dreaming: Dream Seeds Volume 3

Grab your best headphones and settle in for this one hour audio spell. Seed your dreams with this powerful Reality Release. It includes tracks from this Advanced Dreaming conversation. 

Got your headphones on and a quiet place to lie down? Go to the audio spell now,

Dreaming

View of hills from a train.

What’s the Point of Lucid Dreaming?

Seeking or avoiding boredom in dreams. But it’s really telling, that combo. Pleasure seeking and avoiding boredom. What does that mean to you?

Hummingbird in the air.

The Dream Within the Dream

Is there any point to telling dreamers that they are dreaming? I get the call around 2am and rush to put some clothes on, trying…

Full moon in clouds.

Dream Yoga: Remaining Conscious During Sleep

The effects of doing dream yoga after spiritual awakening can be fruitful…and strange. My late husband lived in a Tibetan Bonpo monastery for months at…

Crystal balls hanging.

Dreaming You Are Asleep

Finally, morning came. And why not? Who needs the night to stretch on and on when there isn’t a moment of sleep in it? My…

Work With Me

Reclaiming course.

The Reclaiming

Reclaim Your Power. An 8 week powerhouse of energy clearing, integration and reclaiming your authority. 8 Weekly Audio Lessons We’ll do a lot in 8…

Peerless

Are you at the mercy of your thoughts, emotions and programming? Peerless is a beginners course for cultivating personal agency. Take a 15 week journey…

Remove emotional hooks and cut energy cords.

Emotional Hooks & Energy Cords

Remove Emotional Hooks & Energetic Cords Restore emotional freedom, return to your innocent heart. 18+ WEEKLY LESSONS Are You Ready To Let Go? Of old…

Mastery Course

Mastery

Tools, perspectives and techniques to stop being a passenger and get in the driver’s seat. 24 Weekly audio lessons cover a range of topics, from…

Amara Strand Audio Spells Guided Meditations

Audio Spells

Private Audio Spell Library Reweaving Reality Building a bridge to your future self Whether the topic is money or healing or emotional freedom, all of…

Custom guided meditations

Customized Guided Meditation

Custom Audio Spells You’ve listened to my Audio Spells on Youtube and you know how powerful they are. People report all kinds of energy shifts,…

Private Consultation

Private Consults

Work With Me One on One There are times when getting insight, strategy and support from someone you trust makes all the difference between going…

Reader Questions

Reader Questions

Got a problem that no one else can relate to? If it feels like your problem or question or life situation is rare, one of…

Amara Strand Youtube Videos

videos require headphones

I use Soundcore headphones and airpods pro earbuds
as an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases, thanks

subscribe to my youtube channel

Guided meditation to get guidance from your higher self.

Future Self Audio Spell How To Enter The Void.

Healing Audio Spell

Dream Seeds Vol 3 Eclipse Advanced Dreaming

Wealth audio spell shifting reality streams

Haunted by family legacy and past lives.

enter the sanctuary audio spell

Emotions and thoughts, are they even yours?